Who won? - Experts score Shaw vs Phillips debate

BY CONRAD HAMILTON Sunday Observer senior reporter hamiltonc@jamaicaobserver.com

Sunday, December 18, 2011



 

AS the country braces for Tuesday's debate showdown between Prime Minister Andrew Holness and Opposition Leader Portia Simpson Miller, the dust is still settling on Thursday's face off between Finance Minister Audley Shaw and the People's National Party's (PNP) Dr Peter Phillips.

The post-debate analysis continues as observers remain divided on the actual winner of the second in the series of political debates organised by the Jamaica Debates Commission which focused on economic and financial matters.

These included the handling of the financial sector meltdown in the 1990s, the continuation of a relationship with the International Monetary Fund, which party was better at managing the economy, and what plans the two main parties had to grow the economy.

Both men also spent time debating the merits of the PNP's Jamaica Emergency Employment Programme (JEEP) and plans by that party to pull funds from the Jamaica Development Infrastructure Programme (JDIP) to finance the initiative. JEEP was unveiled by the Opposition earlier this year as the vehicle which a PNP administration would use to address unemployment over the short term.

Prior to the face-off between Shaw and Phillips, the Sunday Observer made contact with three financial experts who were asked to judge the contest using a scorecard which allotted a maximum 10 marks for knowledge, five for content accuracy, five for delivery and a maximum of five points for originality of ideas.

Noted economist John Jackson, former economist at the United Nations, Dr Davidson Daway, and Assistant Professor in Economics and Management at the Northern Caribbean University, Kirkland Anderson, were the three persons asked to judge the debate for this story.

For Anderson, the debate was a good one, especially in the second half, and was enriched by the decision by the organisers to introduce a segment which allowed each debater to pose a question to his opponent.

Anderson said the opening statements of both men were good as they focused on the issues. "Both debaters were heavily armed with facts, but I gave Mr Shaw the edge because he was more specific on matters relating to the management of the economy," said Anderson.

Daway, on the other hand, said he wasn't very impressed by the debate as he felt very little new information came out of it. However, he found favour with the plan by the PNP to stimulate short term job creation through JEEP.

Daway added that both Phillips and Shaw did everything to ensure that what they said was politically correct.

"Unless you have something so dynamic that you can crush somebody with it, you wouldn't want to expose yourself to too much scrutiny. That's basically what happened in that debate.

"I believe the strong points for Mr Shaw was the question asked about FINSAC (Financial Sector Adjustment Company)," which Daway felt was not properly handled by Phillips.

Daway also expressed surprise at the revelation that the finance minister had spent $11 billion dollars on the purchase of buses for the Jamaica Urban Transit Company, without first seeking Cabinet approval.

"As an economist, the answer I got from Mr Shaw insulted my intelligence. An opportunity arrived and he just took it, he had no time to go to Parliament with it. You can't speak one thing from one side of your mouth and on the other side you talk something else," said Daway, in reference to the finance minister. For this economist, the debate on economic and financial matters was won by Dr Phillips.

John Jackson believed both men did a fairly good job apart from moments when they appeared unsure.

"They came with the messages that they wanted to get out," he said.

"In terms of looking on, the uninitiated would believe it was a close debate, but I took a different approach as I document the responses to each question. Phillips, he threw out accusations without any bankable proposal to support what he was saying. In other words you can't talk about mismanagement without looking factually at the conditions that existed," said Jackson. Like Anderson, he says the debate was won by Shaw.


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COMMENTS (12)

J J
12/18/2011
Jamaica lost because time wasted cannot be regained
Dan cee
12/18/2011
I am long past being impressed by charisma and rhetoric.I believe we had enough of that during the 70's and 80's. Both debaters and to a greater extent Mr. Phillips made wild unsupported accusations designed to play on the sensitivity of the electorate.Mr. Phillips, and many like him, continue to create the impression of academic excellence transferring to good mgmt. and leadership.A closer look further north reveals business resume not academia prevails in the Senate and Congress.
CARIB TONY
12/18/2011
@ Oo k: stop chatting nonsense about privatizing public transportation! ALL successful public transportation systems in the US, Europe, India, China and the rest of the world are HEAVILY subsidized by the government; it has to be or it becomes cost prohibitive to the public. Remember Seaga tried privatization in the '80s and FAILED miserably. And the 'comrade' barbs are just so passe.....grow up man!
David Barnaby
12/18/2011
So in essence, the debate as scored by the three observers, were two for Shaw and one for Phillips. That leaves a big FAT ZERO for the Jamaican people. Just when will the Jamaican people win one?
Andrea Watson
12/18/2011
Before I read the story I knew what the outcome would have been. Any reader of the Observer would be a fool to expect it to get analysts who would have given Peter the edge. The paper knew the outcome it wanted and just put one person in to let it look a little less bias. If this paper had said Peter won me woulda drop down dead from fright- so I am alive now thanks to the observer's consistency.
Mark Forbes
12/18/2011
None of these men distinguished themselves. Shaw loses, because his cheerleaders have created an illusion of competence around him that, if true would have seen him cruising to victory. I wasn't surprised. There is 0 evidence that he knows what he is doing. All his budgets have been haphazard affairs and the IMF agreement is clearly a disaster. The macro. variables are being impacted by global conditions so, unless he should be given credit for the recession, those are not due to his efforts.
C Gordon
12/18/2011
Kiss teeth.........there is no surprise here that the Observer would find people to further trumpet their agendas. Of all the analysts that I have listened to and not only that, I watched the debate; only these Observer Analysts think Shaw won the debate, foolishness.
Paul Gentles
12/18/2011
Has any MoF ever presided over so much failure in good fiscal governance? shaw may be able to give an account of what others have done but he is a terrible accountant!
Hugh Maxwell
12/18/2011
While I agree that FINSAC is an issue. But FINSAC cannot help us now. As it relates to the articulated argument regarding the future prospects. The fact that the Phillips talk about the re-negotiation of the IMF deal which Shaw indicated that there is no more leverage for that now. As a matter of fact, Shaw failed to say the real impact of the IMF deal. FINXAC FINSAC FINSAC. But I say IMF IMF IMF deal, and jobs jobs jobs and more jobs. In that, the indictiment is in JLP.Phillips won by far.
0o k
12/18/2011
I think it is sad that the JLP is still in love with failed Comrade projects such as the JUTC. Spending 11 Billion Dollars #in the cloak of deferred financing darkness), on JUTC is just fruitless, vote buying.
The Comrade workers at the JUTC is not going to change their votes, its a waste of time.
The GOJ should be looking to Privatize JUTC, while retaining the administrative functions of Public Passenger Transportation.
Robert Oneil
12/18/2011
Did John Jackson, Dr Davidson Daway and Kirland Anderson watch a different debate from the rest of us are Mr Hamilton will write anytime someone hand him on a piece of paper.I know we all need a pay check but have some respect for you college degree.
fall mouth
12/18/2011
But shouldn't Shaw have won the debate hands down seeing that he has been in the position for four years and Phillips is new to the Shadow? What use is Finsac now. Phillips wasn't even in the portfolio then. How will this help going forward.
Imagine spending $11 billion without getting cabinet's approval and yet when Phillips signed the MOU without this same approval which saved hundreds of lives he was scored by the JLP and the media.
Couldn't the media have compared the 2?. What injustice