'Cut if off'
BY PETULIA CLARKE All Woman Editor clarkep@jamaicaobserver.com
Tuesday, March 09, 2010
ATTORNEY and women's and children's rights advocate Margarette Macaulay is advocating harsh penalties for men who commit incest and stricter penalties for family members who hide their actions.
The lawyer, who noted that incest was still too prevalent in Jamaica, and who was peeved that in many cases the crime goes unreported because families cover up the act, believes the organs of the men involved should be cut off.
The Sexual Offences Act allows persons convicted of incest to face the same penalty as rape convicts, which is a maximum sentence of life in prison.
"But I still don't think that is sufficient, I think they should cut off all their organs," Macaulay said, stating that the enforcement part of incest still remains a problem, and many offenders don't get prosecuted because families cover up their crimes.
Macaulay, who was addressing reporters and editors at the Observer's weekly Monday Exchange meeting at the newspaper's head office in Kingston yesterday, said that the problem of incest is generational, in some cases involving even grandfathers.
"I'm really passionate about incest. It's happening a lot; it happens generationally, like a man has done it to his daughters and now he's doing it to his grandchildren," she said.
In many cases the cover-up goes so far that the pregnancies resulting from incestuous relationships are aborted, with the help of the children's mothers.
"The families themselves and including women in the family, cover it up, and so most of the incest offences never see the light of day," Macaulay said. "It used to be like domestic violence used to be -- behind closed doors -- but now it's behind closed families, the family will cover it up."
Police statistics show that 45 children were reported to be involved in incest cases in 2008. Statistics were not available for 2009. But Macaulay charged that many of the cases go unreported because the families don't come forward.
"They [families] are complicit either before the fact or during the fact or after the fact," Macaulay said. "To me it is more serious than a stranger-rape which is bad enough. These are people you trust, who are supposed to care for you. So therefore the law has to come down really, really strong on it."
Added she: "But there is no clear provision in the Act that the family members who know can be prosecuted."
But families who are found to be complicit can be charged under the Child Care and Protection Act, which allows that anyone who knows of a child who was abused or is being abused physically, sexually or mentally, should report it or face being charged with an offence bearing a maximum fine of $500,000 or up to six months' imprisonment or a mixture of a fine and prison term.
Meanwhile, Joyce Hewett, WOMAN Inc past president and co-ordinator for public education and legal reform, said that while the organisation -- which runs the only shelter for victims of domestic violence in Jamaica -- doesn't serve women under 18, it has dealt with women who have had problems with issues like incest in their childhood.
"Women over 18 who have been sexually molested and assaulted as children oftentimes carry the burden throughout their lives," Hewett said.
She said WOMAN Inc includes incest counselling for those who seek it. The group has a 24-hour anonymous hotline with counsellors to help women in need.
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3/9/2010
I'd like to add my two cents' worth. I'm always curious as to why the reports of women or men who are sexually attracted to children (and act on it) are not labelled as paedophiles. And why am I still hearing the word carnal abuse, call it rape! Call it rape whether it's perpetrated by a man, woman, girl or boy.
Although I smirked when I read the `cut it off' part, that's NOT the solution. These PERVERTS need to be punished legally and need psychological help. It goes beyond the sex, it's a mental/emotional urge. For a person to look at a child or baby and be sexually aroused (and to go further and act on it) means that something is terribly screwed up with their minds. Sometimes it's a matter of abuse begets abuse begets abuse...their is a trend. I am by no means condoning the acts of these perverts; their actions detroys lives, they must be punished (and if I went purely on emotions I would call for their painful executions). But there are laws (obviously we need to amend these), but it cannot be swept under the rug. Punish them, and try to fix them, & if that fails...well keep them away from society.
3/9/2010
This lady must be respected for her effort to put in place measures which will protect our Women and Children.
However I do believe the poroblem of incest is more a mental illness. Our Psychiatrists in Jamaica might be more capable of assisting us to understand this branch of disgraceful criminal act.
What I would love to see is the implementation of a legislation making it mandatory to punish men who are a menace to women on their Jobs.. Sexual harassment. This is another problem which have been too long ignored.
Women are been left too vulnerable to those psychophatic
beast mentality maniacs out there in Jamaica. I am also calling on the Women to stage a demonstration for the re- implementation of the CAT O NINE:
3/9/2010
If this is to be made a law, then I see a lot of amputations in the future.
When I was in high school there were a lot of 'bus man' who impregnated young girls in my school. And the trend continues unabated. Many of these girls were my age 14-15.
3/9/2010
//"But I still don't think that is sufficient, I think they should cut off all their organs," Macaulay said//
Something in the water that turns otherwise intelligent, reasonable Jamaicans into shrieking, babbling mess!
3/9/2010
I have an even harsher suggestion, death penalty, plain and simple
3/9/2010
The shocking message in this rant personifies what is wrong with the Jamaican Culture ,mark you this woman is a lawyer , this is the kind of backwoods solutions they have to what are serious Societal problems, the question of Rape and Incest are egregious acts they scar ,but they are no more serious than the murder and terror that is unleashed on the Society daily by the beasts Women raise, cover for , lie for, Demonstrate for , and benefit from the blood money they bring in, the hand that rocks the cradle rules the World, when these Women seek to ponder the question "how did we get here"? they need look no further that in the Mirror .
3/9/2010
Whilst Ms. Macaulay's comments do not make me think of the actual amputation of a man's penis, I do see her issue. There is a tendency in the press to cover incest and pedophilia as molestation, child abuse and rape. The concept of sex with a child is far too gentle a characterization for the grossly inhumane and criminal acts of pedophiles. We need to recognize that there is no known cure for this condition. Such offenders need to be shut away for a very long time. Ms. Macaulay is correct and needs to be commended for being unequivocal about a serious crime and her idea for a solution.
3/9/2010
Margarette Macaulay, what punishment do you recommend for the woman?
3/9/2010
Ms. Macaulay is, without a doubt, passionate about preventing incest and hopefully this will translate into tougher laws. For this reason i will forgive her heated, off the cuff comments about the nature of the punishment required. We must admit that it is easy for emotions to trump good sense especially in terrible circumstances. Indeed the punishment she suggests speaks to the inability of the current laws to prevent repeat offenders....we need a public registry of sex offenders (available on -line and on community notice boards) as well as monitoring of these offenders after their long (in excess of 15 years) prison sentence is served. This, although a much more 'expensive' and time consuming approach, would be more effective.
3/9/2010
I agree with Macaulay that the punishment is way too lienient for people who comit incest. I agree too that more stringent actions must be taken when family members cover up the act. I think that people who commit these crimes should serve at most twenty years in prison, and not be allowed to return to the home. Right now a person can be released from prison after serving time for incest and go straight back to the home to live.
Where I have to part company with Macaulay is the removal of the genitals of men who commit incest. She ought to know better than that, she is in a position of power for crying out loud and a very high profile one at that, and in a nation beset by violence as a solution to every wrongs perputated against man and dog. She ought to say too what should be removed when women commit acts of incest, or has she forgotten that a portion of cases belong to women.
No Ms Macauley, you look like a nice woman, but your rant has no place in a civilized society.
3/9/2010
this lady does not like men, from what she is saying there is a profound hatred for them.....but i agree wth everything she is saying...cut it off
3/9/2010
I agree, cut it off. And I'm a man..
3/9/2010
what about women who prey on young boys? i have NEVER heard of one of them being charged. should we CUT IT OUT?
3/9/2010
This is 2010! This woman is a lawyer! Does she really believe the solution is to 'cut it off'? Certainly our world is more 'enlightened'.
I'm not condoning immoral ofr illegal behavior, but our response cannot be worse than the dastardly act.
And what will these roving eunuchs do, sit quietly in contemplation, or will they exact their vengance with other instruments?
We have to find more enlightened solutions for this problem.
One Love!
3/9/2010
I think everyone will agree that incest is despicable. I do agree the men should be punished according to law and ostracised. However even from her column this Macauley lady seems to have a profound hatred of the male species. What punishment does she advocate for women who do do the same?
3/9/2010
Let me stop reading this article for a few moments and go to check the calendar...It says March 9, 2010; we are actually in the 21st century! I just had to make sure; the suggestion by Ms. Macaulay smacks of 16th-18th century thinking. Certainly, a period of Enlightenment must (must have) come to us.
Sexual abuse, including this matter of incest, is a serious issue in Jamaica but punishment for the crime need not reduce us to barbarians. We need to educate people, including our young girls who suffer the abuse, social workers, medical providers, teachers, and family members, to fight this scourge. In addition, we need to convict and imprison abusers. Too many times you read in the Jamaican press of men coming before the courts for these kinds of crimes and getting off with extremely light sentences or no sentence at all. And then some judge tries to convince us that a "suspended sentence" is also punishment!
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