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Adams warns of mayhem if ‘Dudus’ case goes to court
BY PAUL HENRY Observer staff reporter henryp@jamaicaobserver.com
Saturday, May 15, 2010
RENETO Adams, the controversial retired senior superintendent of police, is warning of the possibility of heightened criminal activity and a security nightmare if extradition proceedings are brought against reputed Tivoli Gardens strongman Christopher 'Dudus' Coke.
During an interview with the Observer on Monday, Adams suggested that such a hearing would best be moved to the Jamaica Defence Force (JDF) headquarters on Camp Road in Kingston for safety reasons and that security would have to be drastically increased at certain institutions across the island.
Adams' suggestion came against the background of what he said is Coke's influence in certain quarters of the society, coupled with previous threats of civil unrest.
Coke -- who is revered by persons in his stronghold, located in Prime Minister Bruce Golding's West Kingston constituency -- is wanted in the United States on drug- and gun-running charges.
The extradition request was made last year August but Justice Minister Dorothy Lightbourne has refused to give the authority to proceed against Coke, arguing that the US has presented illegally obtained evidence against him.
"If he is arrested, the Government would have to deploy added security in key strategic places. You would also have to house him at Up Park Camp and certain routes on which he would be driving would have to be closed down. We are looking at an extensive operation because this man has great influence," said Adams.
"It will be a maximum security plan with all kinds of persons involved: people from the intelligence arena, people from the strike force, obviously some snipers will be in place," he added.
But Adams has questioned, based on the posture of the Government, whether such a scenario will ever play out.
In March, two high-ranking members of the Jamaica Constabulary Force told the Observer that there were growing fears within the security forces that if Coke has to be extradited elements in the criminal underworld could put aside political differences to wage a united battle against law and order.
The security concern was manifested last week Wednesday when heavily armed members of the Island Special Constabulary Force were posted at the Supreme Court where there was an expectation that Coke would have shown up for a hearing in which Opposition Leader Portia Simpson Miller and Private Sector Organisation of Jamaica President Joseph Matalon were applying to have their names removed as defendants from a motion brought by Lightbourne.
Lightbourne had asked the court to determine whether she has the power under the Extradition Act to take into consideration material illegally obtained in arriving at a conclusion whether to initiate extradition proceedings against any person.
Simpson Miller and Matalon have made public pronouncements on the minister's refusal to proceed against Coke, said to be a staunch supporter of the ruling Jamaica Labour Party.
Coke -- who is named as first defendant in Lightbourne's motion -- did not show for the hearing. It was revealed that he could not be found to be served court papers.
 
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Derrick Hennie
5/15/2010
The politicians have allowed their criminal minded bedfellows to outsmart them.
What then, should the rest of the nation do? If criminals are in control, and law and order cannot be rigidly enforced,should there be a white flag of surrender, to politicians and their hoodlum associates? Hell, no.
Mr Adams may be correct on the mayhem , whether or not 'Dudus' is extradited. However, there must never be any abdication to lawlessness, regardless of which party is in power.
We who have been around long enough, know that if it "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a duck.
There are some who would justify the hugging of criminals, because of navel-string politics and past rivaliesamong the major parties. Let me sound an alarm; your safety is not guaranteed, neither would be the safety of your children and grandchildren.
It is ful time the head of this beast be chopped off. The JDF & JCF must do what needs to be done to enforce law & order.
5/15/2010
The politicians have allowed their criminal minded bedfellows to outsmart them.
What then, should the rest of the nation do? If criminals are in control, and law and order cannot be rigidly enforced,should there be a white flag of surrender, to politicians and their hoodlum associates? Hell, no.
Mr Adams may be correct on the mayhem , whether or not 'Dudus' is extradited. However, there must never be any abdication to lawlessness, regardless of which party is in power.
We who have been around long enough, know that if it "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a duck.
There are some who would justify the hugging of criminals, because of navel-string politics and past rivaliesamong the major parties. Let me sound an alarm; your safety is not guaranteed, neither would be the safety of your children and grandchildren.
It is ful time the head of this beast be chopped off. The JDF & JCF must do what needs to be done to enforce law & order.
Good Counsellor
5/15/2010
I refuse to live in a country where one man commands such influence. I am exciting about the turn of events and if a civil unrest is necessary then so be it. We cannot and I say cannot resort to the notion that he commands so much influence so he cannot be extradited....RUBBISH. Let the underworld come out and lead an assault against law and order. I hope it will be all of them that will come out so we can wipe them out in one blow. This madness should no longer characterize our country.
5/15/2010
I refuse to live in a country where one man commands such influence. I am exciting about the turn of events and if a civil unrest is necessary then so be it. We cannot and I say cannot resort to the notion that he commands so much influence so he cannot be extradited....RUBBISH. Let the underworld come out and lead an assault against law and order. I hope it will be all of them that will come out so we can wipe them out in one blow. This madness should no longer characterize our country.
paul m
5/15/2010
This reminds me of the saying "Everybody wants to go to heaven but no one wants to die"....Well people of Jamaica I have two more for you ..'If yu want good yu nose haffi run" and "If you want to bake a cake you have to crack a few eggs"....The moral is we have to fight or it will get no better.. it seems most Jamaicans are content to allow things to remain the same to prevent bloodshed and loss of life, rather interesting considering that we would all be slaves without bloodshed and loss of inocent lives ......Time to fight and take back Jamaica!!!....we owe it to our children
5/15/2010
This reminds me of the saying "Everybody wants to go to heaven but no one wants to die"....Well people of Jamaica I have two more for you ..'If yu want good yu nose haffi run" and "If you want to bake a cake you have to crack a few eggs"....The moral is we have to fight or it will get no better.. it seems most Jamaicans are content to allow things to remain the same to prevent bloodshed and loss of life, rather interesting considering that we would all be slaves without bloodshed and loss of inocent lives ......Time to fight and take back Jamaica!!!....we owe it to our children
demus one
5/15/2010
God Bless how do you sit and think of so many crap what you are saying is certain people are above the law they can kill, rape, murder, exstort, smuggle drugs and remain untouchable. Anyone who look at what is going in jamaica must by now realised these dons are the root of the problem. They are responsible for about 80% of the criminal activties in the country. We need to eliminate these dons now if it going to be an all out war let the war begin. If we as a nation is too scared to address the main issue behind criminal activities we all should just shut disband the JCF and the JDF so we don't have a false sense security. By the way noone forced jamaica to sign the treaty with the U.S so if we don't like it get rid of it. We are all a bunch of hyprocrites a lot of people have being extradicted over the years also by this present government under this treaty and everyone remain quiet. By the way let me know of someone in J.A without relative in the U.S please don't lie.
5/15/2010
God Bless how do you sit and think of so many crap what you are saying is certain people are above the law they can kill, rape, murder, exstort, smuggle drugs and remain untouchable. Anyone who look at what is going in jamaica must by now realised these dons are the root of the problem. They are responsible for about 80% of the criminal activties in the country. We need to eliminate these dons now if it going to be an all out war let the war begin. If we as a nation is too scared to address the main issue behind criminal activities we all should just shut disband the JCF and the JDF so we don't have a false sense security. By the way noone forced jamaica to sign the treaty with the U.S so if we don't like it get rid of it. We are all a bunch of hyprocrites a lot of people have being extradicted over the years also by this present government under this treaty and everyone remain quiet. By the way let me know of someone in J.A without relative in the U.S please don't lie.
Howard Williamson
5/15/2010
3rd world mentality!!!!!
5/15/2010
3rd world mentality!!!!!
Chuck Emanuel
5/15/2010
Re : "The treaty between Jamaica and the USA is a case of the powerful (USA) trampling on the rights of weak ".
So, who murdered the 15,000 Jamaicans in the last 10 years ?
Or, what do you propose to do about the "strong" criminal network of narco-traffickers and gun-runners with satelite bases around Jamaica with guaranteed govt contracts, with free legal services awaiting them from politicians who we entrusted to uphold the laws of the land ?.
Whenever we are in dire financial problems, we run to the IMF, right ?.
So, what is the problem with asking the U.S for some assistance with troops ?.
Surely, the over 600 "weak" citizens who have been murdered would not object if they could speak now, would they ?;
jokers !
5/15/2010
Re : "The treaty between Jamaica and the USA is a case of the powerful (USA) trampling on the rights of weak ".
So, who murdered the 15,000 Jamaicans in the last 10 years ?
Or, what do you propose to do about the "strong" criminal network of narco-traffickers and gun-runners with satelite bases around Jamaica with guaranteed govt contracts, with free legal services awaiting them from politicians who we entrusted to uphold the laws of the land ?.
Whenever we are in dire financial problems, we run to the IMF, right ?.
So, what is the problem with asking the U.S for some assistance with troops ?.
Surely, the over 600 "weak" citizens who have been murdered would not object if they could speak now, would they ?;
jokers !
Lu Pa
5/15/2010
The US thinks those stars rule the world, and becaruse they are big and strong they can trample on the weak like the big fat bully in the play ground.
We must understand that if we give in to them the next time they ask us to jump high and hesitate, they would want to come knock down our doors in the dead of night, drag our babies out of their beds then call it...fighting for their freedom...they are forgetting that the biggest gun and drug runnings are done right here in the USA by their own people, stop opening more gun factories and shops, the world will be a safer place.
Take a look at Haiti, as weak as they seem today they are strong a proud people. they say....you can help feed us but don't think you can come into our country and tell us what to do....
This man Dudus may or may not have done wrong but he is still a Jamaican citizen
5/15/2010
The US thinks those stars rule the world, and becaruse they are big and strong they can trample on the weak like the big fat bully in the play ground.
We must understand that if we give in to them the next time they ask us to jump high and hesitate, they would want to come knock down our doors in the dead of night, drag our babies out of their beds then call it...fighting for their freedom...they are forgetting that the biggest gun and drug runnings are done right here in the USA by their own people, stop opening more gun factories and shops, the world will be a safer place.
Take a look at Haiti, as weak as they seem today they are strong a proud people. they say....you can help feed us but don't think you can come into our country and tell us what to do....
This man Dudus may or may not have done wrong but he is still a Jamaican citizen
Duque Molton
5/15/2010
Adams, you are so right. There will be mayhem, but it is all because of the level of corruption that the country is now at. After Dudus father died, there should have been better policing to ensure that this gang was dissolved. Our MPs hug up corruption too much to be in power. It is so sickening. I know there will be mayhem but I hope no innocent person will be killed. He needs to be tried by the local courts and if found guilty he should be extradited..
5/15/2010
Adams, you are so right. There will be mayhem, but it is all because of the level of corruption that the country is now at. After Dudus father died, there should have been better policing to ensure that this gang was dissolved. Our MPs hug up corruption too much to be in power. It is so sickening. I know there will be mayhem but I hope no innocent person will be killed. He needs to be tried by the local courts and if found guilty he should be extradited..
anton brown
5/15/2010
Winston, the USA has extradited and continues to extradite US citizens to other countries all over the world. Google it. And on top of that there are many US citizens being jailed in countries all over the world and the US allows it because it knows those people did wrong!
They aren't being hypocrites about this issue, and they aren't trampling on Jamaica as regards extradition. In fact they are helping us out by saving us the costs of locking up a criminal!
And leave your nationalistic sentiments at the door. Country of birth and all that nonsense has no place in an increasingly globalized world. If you commit a crime in a certain place, then you should be locked up in that place. (and yes you can commit a crime in foreign while being in your home country through your agents, or the effects of your actions)
5/15/2010
Winston, the USA has extradited and continues to extradite US citizens to other countries all over the world. Google it. And on top of that there are many US citizens being jailed in countries all over the world and the US allows it because it knows those people did wrong!
They aren't being hypocrites about this issue, and they aren't trampling on Jamaica as regards extradition. In fact they are helping us out by saving us the costs of locking up a criminal!
And leave your nationalistic sentiments at the door. Country of birth and all that nonsense has no place in an increasingly globalized world. If you commit a crime in a certain place, then you should be locked up in that place. (and yes you can commit a crime in foreign while being in your home country through your agents, or the effects of your actions)
Antonette W.
5/15/2010
I was wondering how long it would take for the Spin Doctors to jump to action and start planting the seeds of doubt in the minds of the public. Now we are hearing that the PM won't turn over Dudus because he's looking out for the people of Jamaica. The insinuation is that the authorities should leave things as they are. Could someone explain to me what they perceive as the reality over the past few years. If it were that simple, then why hasn't this technique of "analysis by paralysis" worked all along?
5/15/2010
I was wondering how long it would take for the Spin Doctors to jump to action and start planting the seeds of doubt in the minds of the public. Now we are hearing that the PM won't turn over Dudus because he's looking out for the people of Jamaica. The insinuation is that the authorities should leave things as they are. Could someone explain to me what they perceive as the reality over the past few years. If it were that simple, then why hasn't this technique of "analysis by paralysis" worked all along?
jah speed
5/15/2010
THERE IS NO EASY WAY FORWARD.
JAMAICA IS BETWEEN A VERY HARD ROCK AND A VERY HARD PLACE AND WE HAVE ONLY OUR MOST HONORABLE POLITICIANS TO THANK.
IT IS ALSO EVIDENT THAT THE INTL. COMMUNITY COULD CARE LESS WHAT HAPPENS TO TWO MILLION POOR BLACK PEOPLE AND IF REMOVING CHRISTOPHER COKE MEANS MAYHEM AND ANARCHY, SO BE IT.
5/15/2010
THERE IS NO EASY WAY FORWARD.
JAMAICA IS BETWEEN A VERY HARD ROCK AND A VERY HARD PLACE AND WE HAVE ONLY OUR MOST HONORABLE POLITICIANS TO THANK.
IT IS ALSO EVIDENT THAT THE INTL. COMMUNITY COULD CARE LESS WHAT HAPPENS TO TWO MILLION POOR BLACK PEOPLE AND IF REMOVING CHRISTOPHER COKE MEANS MAYHEM AND ANARCHY, SO BE IT.
D Ranks
5/15/2010
Crime is not as localised as we would like to think and if it has international connections, which it has, it needs to be addressed internationally, or between affected countries. That is why a man in British Columbia, Canada is being extradited for selling gaja seed to US citizen through the mail. The man has, like Christopher Coke, have never been to the United States, but he offended the laws of that country and so may deserve to extradited. I for one cannot see the fuss about a packet of ganja seeds, but gun-running and heavy trade in narcotics. Come on people, the accusation alone warrants an investigation into this accused Jamaican dealings, and if he is found to offend the USA laws then so be it, he gets extradited, but only after he is tried, sentence, and served his time in a Jamaican prison for breeching the Jamaican laws. Do any of you out there know if there is an investigation going on? I have a strange feeling there is none.
5/15/2010
Crime is not as localised as we would like to think and if it has international connections, which it has, it needs to be addressed internationally, or between affected countries. That is why a man in British Columbia, Canada is being extradited for selling gaja seed to US citizen through the mail. The man has, like Christopher Coke, have never been to the United States, but he offended the laws of that country and so may deserve to extradited. I for one cannot see the fuss about a packet of ganja seeds, but gun-running and heavy trade in narcotics. Come on people, the accusation alone warrants an investigation into this accused Jamaican dealings, and if he is found to offend the USA laws then so be it, he gets extradited, but only after he is tried, sentence, and served his time in a Jamaican prison for breeching the Jamaican laws. Do any of you out there know if there is an investigation going on? I have a strange feeling there is none.
Keith Baker
5/15/2010
We cannot let the country be paralyzed with fear! Damn the torpedo full speed ahead!
5/15/2010
We cannot let the country be paralyzed with fear! Damn the torpedo full speed ahead!
Richie L
5/15/2010
cont.
I am baffled as to why bruce golding did not see that this extradition request presents to him his opportunity to get rid of someone I imagine he should be grudgingly beholden to. I say grudgingly because I can't imagine anyone who purports to be leader of anything would want to have a mandarin behind him.
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Because at the end of the day, bruce golding is prime minister but he is really a puppet with a svengali behind him. What self respecting leader would want such a thing?
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I would expect bruce would want to feign putting up a fight with the US to make it appear he did his best, but would secretly be hoping that he fails. Look people, the US is doing Jamaica a favor, a big favor. Things are coming to a head. We can not continue like this forever.
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Call out the JDF like we have never seen before and these cowards will slink away when they see a real army that is prepared to fight them to their death. And if Tivoli falls then it will be easier going .
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Richie
5/15/2010
cont.
I am baffled as to why bruce golding did not see that this extradition request presents to him his opportunity to get rid of someone I imagine he should be grudgingly beholden to. I say grudgingly because I can't imagine anyone who purports to be leader of anything would want to have a mandarin behind him.
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Because at the end of the day, bruce golding is prime minister but he is really a puppet with a svengali behind him. What self respecting leader would want such a thing?
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I would expect bruce would want to feign putting up a fight with the US to make it appear he did his best, but would secretly be hoping that he fails. Look people, the US is doing Jamaica a favor, a big favor. Things are coming to a head. We can not continue like this forever.
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Call out the JDF like we have never seen before and these cowards will slink away when they see a real army that is prepared to fight them to their death. And if Tivoli falls then it will be easier going .
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Richie
Richie L
5/15/2010
The government would have to prepare for this operation in advance. Meaning that legislation may have to be passed for the deployment of forces for an extended period of time in Tivoli and for rules of engagement.
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All the requirements of the residents such as grocery, gas must be provided by the government (not free) in the form of a commissary because movements into and out of Tivoli must be severely limited. For sometime, residents will operate under martial law, meaning that there can be no demonstrations and there will be curfews. Social programs must be initiated and a general rebuilding of infrastructure must be carried out with local people to win their heart and mind.l There has to be constant communications to the residents of Tivoli.
While this is going, the military will be going door to door in search of criminal and guns and ammo.
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cont
5/15/2010
The government would have to prepare for this operation in advance. Meaning that legislation may have to be passed for the deployment of forces for an extended period of time in Tivoli and for rules of engagement.
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All the requirements of the residents such as grocery, gas must be provided by the government (not free) in the form of a commissary because movements into and out of Tivoli must be severely limited. For sometime, residents will operate under martial law, meaning that there can be no demonstrations and there will be curfews. Social programs must be initiated and a general rebuilding of infrastructure must be carried out with local people to win their heart and mind.l There has to be constant communications to the residents of Tivoli.
While this is going, the military will be going door to door in search of criminal and guns and ammo.
.
cont
Richie L
5/15/2010
Cont.
In the face of overwhelming power from the US, the Republican Guards didn't even put up a fight. Yes, they regrouped and continued the insurgency, but I don't expect that from our militias.
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First, they are crudely trained, if that. Second, they don't have an easy source of weaponry to replace what they already have like Iraq which had a weapons producing industry and several porous border crossing points. I would imagine that there would be an attempt to do so in Jamaica, but with increased vigilance of our ports, sea and air, then this endeavor would not be too successful.
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I would do as Adam said: put up snipers in strategic places. But the most important element of my plan would be a sustained military campaign in Tivoli. We don't need to bring in foreigners but we can get advisors from Israel, Britain and the US.
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Whatever we do, we must deploy fully equipped force to fan out across Tivoli. All entry into and out of Tivoli must be manned by the army.
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cont
5/15/2010
Cont.
In the face of overwhelming power from the US, the Republican Guards didn't even put up a fight. Yes, they regrouped and continued the insurgency, but I don't expect that from our militias.
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First, they are crudely trained, if that. Second, they don't have an easy source of weaponry to replace what they already have like Iraq which had a weapons producing industry and several porous border crossing points. I would imagine that there would be an attempt to do so in Jamaica, but with increased vigilance of our ports, sea and air, then this endeavor would not be too successful.
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I would do as Adam said: put up snipers in strategic places. But the most important element of my plan would be a sustained military campaign in Tivoli. We don't need to bring in foreigners but we can get advisors from Israel, Britain and the US.
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Whatever we do, we must deploy fully equipped force to fan out across Tivoli. All entry into and out of Tivoli must be manned by the army.
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cont
Richie L
5/15/2010
I am sure there will be some who would want to take to the streets. But if these people are met with force, sustained force then something will come to a head with this "badmansim" culture.
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The "militias" in Jamaica have never really been tested by a sustained military campaign from the JDF. That is what is needed. During the Tivoli incidents a few years ago, so called fighters hid behind women, resulting in many innocent people being killed.
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If the JDF is deployed in force (taking a page from Colin Powell's doctrine), I bet these so called fighters would not last 5 days. But the lack of follow-through has really not tested this theory. Many of these people operate because they are in groups. Group-think allows them to be braver than they really are. Killing a few of them immediately, preferable leaders and you will see them scamper and even wet themselves.
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Remember, how everyone was talking about the vaunted Republican Guards in Iraq, how they would fight the US?
Cont.
5/15/2010
I am sure there will be some who would want to take to the streets. But if these people are met with force, sustained force then something will come to a head with this "badmansim" culture.
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The "militias" in Jamaica have never really been tested by a sustained military campaign from the JDF. That is what is needed. During the Tivoli incidents a few years ago, so called fighters hid behind women, resulting in many innocent people being killed.
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If the JDF is deployed in force (taking a page from Colin Powell's doctrine), I bet these so called fighters would not last 5 days. But the lack of follow-through has really not tested this theory. Many of these people operate because they are in groups. Group-think allows them to be braver than they really are. Killing a few of them immediately, preferable leaders and you will see them scamper and even wet themselves.
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Remember, how everyone was talking about the vaunted Republican Guards in Iraq, how they would fight the US?
Cont.
Mark Francis
5/15/2010
From what i am gathering from the posts below is that people are willing to let Dudus remain & continue the bad that he is doing so that business as usual can continue. Do you realize that this is the same approach that is taken by Jamaicans with regards to the servants we have in parliament. Individually Jamaicans are a violent people but very docile when it comes to our own human rights. Politicians will continue to rape the nation while Dudus & people like him will continue to rape our daughters while gunning down our sons. I guess the slow death of the nation is preferred. As for the USA...no matter how biased the extradition treaty may be, Jamaica has signed to it. The USA has decided to do something that Jamaicans are afraid to do, in this regard i am happy. what we need to realize is that no one has refuted the accusations as false, therefore why has Bruce-on-the-loose not put plans in action to arrest & try Dudus for crimes committed locally?
5/15/2010
From what i am gathering from the posts below is that people are willing to let Dudus remain & continue the bad that he is doing so that business as usual can continue. Do you realize that this is the same approach that is taken by Jamaicans with regards to the servants we have in parliament. Individually Jamaicans are a violent people but very docile when it comes to our own human rights. Politicians will continue to rape the nation while Dudus & people like him will continue to rape our daughters while gunning down our sons. I guess the slow death of the nation is preferred. As for the USA...no matter how biased the extradition treaty may be, Jamaica has signed to it. The USA has decided to do something that Jamaicans are afraid to do, in this regard i am happy. what we need to realize is that no one has refuted the accusations as false, therefore why has Bruce-on-the-loose not put plans in action to arrest & try Dudus for crimes committed locally?
S D
5/15/2010
Now people finally see why the PM had to lobby against extraditing this man. People who are pushing for the PM to resign do not have any idea whatsoever of how far-reaching the influence Dudus has on the criminal underworld and are doing so for political favor points.
It will be civil war if this man is extradited. Mark my words.
5/15/2010
Now people finally see why the PM had to lobby against extraditing this man. People who are pushing for the PM to resign do not have any idea whatsoever of how far-reaching the influence Dudus has on the criminal underworld and are doing so for political favor points.
It will be civil war if this man is extradited. Mark my words.
Jackinson Nascimento
5/15/2010
"If he is arrested, the Government would have to deploy added security in key strategic places. You would also have to house him at Up Park Camp and certain routes on which he would be driving would have to be closed down. We are looking at an extensive operation because this man has great influence," said Adams.
"It will be a maximum security plan with all kinds of persons involved: people from the intelligence arena, people from the strike force, obviously some snipers will be in place," he added.
Is that what we have come to? The whole country being held at ransom becasue of one person?
I am praying for my country.
5/15/2010
"If he is arrested, the Government would have to deploy added security in key strategic places. You would also have to house him at Up Park Camp and certain routes on which he would be driving would have to be closed down. We are looking at an extensive operation because this man has great influence," said Adams.
"It will be a maximum security plan with all kinds of persons involved: people from the intelligence arena, people from the strike force, obviously some snipers will be in place," he added.
Is that what we have come to? The whole country being held at ransom becasue of one person?
I am praying for my country.
Paul Gentles
5/15/2010
If our forefathers vision were as narrow as ours they would have protected their own skin and we would all be slaves today,slavery would never have been abolished!
We are almost at the level Mexico is trying to come from - look at their murder rate and who are murdered with impunity,do we want to slide into that level of anarchy??
Reneto is part of what I call dinosaurs..
My forfathers blood boils inside of me when I see the comments of the "house slaves.."
We need to take over our country,presently our jails are only for the poor underprivileged and marginalised in the country.
5/15/2010
If our forefathers vision were as narrow as ours they would have protected their own skin and we would all be slaves today,slavery would never have been abolished!
We are almost at the level Mexico is trying to come from - look at their murder rate and who are murdered with impunity,do we want to slide into that level of anarchy??
Reneto is part of what I call dinosaurs..
My forfathers blood boils inside of me when I see the comments of the "house slaves.."
We need to take over our country,presently our jails are only for the poor underprivileged and marginalised in the country.
Nicolas Henry
5/15/2010
We must arrest him and extradite him now""". You people are too coward. Law and order must be maintained at any price. Many jamaicans are too coward and are afraid to speak, their action only ombolden the criminals to act without fear and impunity. We Jamaicans must fight and die to take our country back from criminals, so our kids and granchildren may live in a peaceful and prosperous society. We shouldn't be afraid of what criminals will do. Since most of us aren't criminals we will win the war against the hoodlums. They can't kill us all. All of you who critcize my approach, remain quite and be slaughtered, raped and robbed daily. I'm a U.S marine. I'm brave and will be ready if the USA gives order to arrest any wanted person in Jamaica. I'm a born Jamaican that care about Jamaica. I know the terrain, I know that rat holes you thugs hide in. We will find you and relieve my people of the oppression that pain you inflict daily.
5/15/2010
We must arrest him and extradite him now""". You people are too coward. Law and order must be maintained at any price. Many jamaicans are too coward and are afraid to speak, their action only ombolden the criminals to act without fear and impunity. We Jamaicans must fight and die to take our country back from criminals, so our kids and granchildren may live in a peaceful and prosperous society. We shouldn't be afraid of what criminals will do. Since most of us aren't criminals we will win the war against the hoodlums. They can't kill us all. All of you who critcize my approach, remain quite and be slaughtered, raped and robbed daily. I'm a U.S marine. I'm brave and will be ready if the USA gives order to arrest any wanted person in Jamaica. I'm a born Jamaican that care about Jamaica. I know the terrain, I know that rat holes you thugs hide in. We will find you and relieve my people of the oppression that pain you inflict daily.
God Bless
5/15/2010
Which any way they plan to take out Dudus it must not be to the destruction of the jamaican people and the economy whats left of it. The private security companies are not skilled to take on the level of security that will be needed to secure down town and uptown . So all of us in our kgn 8 and 6 addresses please do not feel safe . Any place that US invade there follows devastaion and massive loss of lives. If they come for Dudus do they really care about anything else? they would leave us in the mayhem and gone about their business.
5/15/2010
Which any way they plan to take out Dudus it must not be to the destruction of the jamaican people and the economy whats left of it. The private security companies are not skilled to take on the level of security that will be needed to secure down town and uptown . So all of us in our kgn 8 and 6 addresses please do not feel safe . Any place that US invade there follows devastaion and massive loss of lives. If they come for Dudus do they really care about anything else? they would leave us in the mayhem and gone about their business.
Fed Up
5/15/2010
Ah, the blatant hypocrisy of those who are suddenly against extraditions. Where was this strident opposition to the hundreds of Jamaican citizens who have been extradited before. Those of you supporting this known criminal purely on the basis of political partisanship are just as morally bankrupt as the PM. Hope you are willing to offer yourselves as human shields to protect Dudus when the US comes to extricate that cancer from our society. I'm counting the days.
5/15/2010
Ah, the blatant hypocrisy of those who are suddenly against extraditions. Where was this strident opposition to the hundreds of Jamaican citizens who have been extradited before. Those of you supporting this known criminal purely on the basis of political partisanship are just as morally bankrupt as the PM. Hope you are willing to offer yourselves as human shields to protect Dudus when the US comes to extricate that cancer from our society. I'm counting the days.
David Armstrong
5/15/2010
Mr. Adams is not saying anything new here. Ofcourse it will be a maximum security issue if Dudus is extradited. Is he saying that Jamaica don't have the resources to provide this maximum security? I don't believe that a combined fully deployed military and police unit could not contain any such disturbances that would arise. Am I to understand if another island was to invade Jamaica the country would not be able to defend itself?
If Jamaica don't have the resources to defend against a Dudus backlash, then maybe the government should request the US send National Guards (civilians who provide military duty in times of national disaster or emergency).
5/15/2010
Mr. Adams is not saying anything new here. Ofcourse it will be a maximum security issue if Dudus is extradited. Is he saying that Jamaica don't have the resources to provide this maximum security? I don't believe that a combined fully deployed military and police unit could not contain any such disturbances that would arise. Am I to understand if another island was to invade Jamaica the country would not be able to defend itself?
If Jamaica don't have the resources to defend against a Dudus backlash, then maybe the government should request the US send National Guards (civilians who provide military duty in times of national disaster or emergency).
rudolph reynolds
5/15/2010
Isn't there mayhem already? No man is above the law. People engage in criminal behaviour for 1 reason; money. Criminals cant make money when they are battling the security forces. While i agree that other criminals will join forces with the presidential click gang, they will not do so indefinitely because it will affect business. Lets get all the criminals crammed into West Kingston so that we can destroy them all.
5/15/2010
Isn't there mayhem already? No man is above the law. People engage in criminal behaviour for 1 reason; money. Criminals cant make money when they are battling the security forces. While i agree that other criminals will join forces with the presidential click gang, they will not do so indefinitely because it will affect business. Lets get all the criminals crammed into West Kingston so that we can destroy them all.
Danavan smith
5/15/2010
May be it could be the other way round,most of the people want to see this man go, they are weary of living under terror and tyrant. the people want them freedom, as one lady from TG ask me if i know of any man living in the country want a woman to live with? she want to run-away but she dont have any where to go.
5/15/2010
May be it could be the other way round,most of the people want to see this man go, they are weary of living under terror and tyrant. the people want them freedom, as one lady from TG ask me if i know of any man living in the country want a woman to live with? she want to run-away but she dont have any where to go.
Iva Elliott
5/15/2010
How many of the innocent will have to die? How many road blocks? How important is one man to 2.5 million? Jamaica unite and do the right thing.
5/15/2010
How many of the innocent will have to die? How many road blocks? How important is one man to 2.5 million? Jamaica unite and do the right thing.
Eddie Edwards
5/15/2010
Yes Mr. Adams the Jamaican people will expect you to lead the charge so you just sit tight. Law Enforement will not retreat nor surrender to lawlessness.
5/15/2010
Yes Mr. Adams the Jamaican people will expect you to lead the charge so you just sit tight. Law Enforement will not retreat nor surrender to lawlessness.
5/15/2010
Mr Adams is right. There will be mayhem if dudus is extradited. But after a storm, comes a calm and there is far worse to come from inaction that action. Put this way, things are so bad now that they can't possibly get worse. At the moment, it is the innocent who are being maimed and butchered. A war against the garrison is not a war against the innocent but against the strongholds of the criminals underworld and their families who have been profiting at the expense of the innocent. OK there maybe a few innocent among them and that is regrettable but there has to be action against criminals. Sri Lanka took the unpalatable and tough decision of sustaining a war to remove the Tamil Tiger rebels and their leader in the hope of finding a lasting peace. It came at a heavy price to the civilians in that region but now there is hope that a united and peaceful country can grow. We must do the same if we want a lasting peace. Remove the garrisons and their strong men once and for all.
Paul Lewis
5/15/2010
@ Winston Mills, the U.S.have not broken any Jamaican Laws and has only requested the extradition of an individual to face charges in the U.S. Courts. Furthermore the A.C.L.U. cannot stop any lawful action...they may petition the Court and present arguments...they are not a part of the Gov't..but a Civil Rights group. However the statements by Mr. Adams...coming from one who has been in the Security Forces, is more than alarming. To set a scenario where one man can basically shutdown a Nation, is saying a lot about our present situation....the Police are apparently only there to provide security for politicians and the Citizens have to fend for themselves. We dont need any foreigners to enforce the rule of Law...we only need those who we have elected to stop hindering the Police or step aside so they can do their job.
5/15/2010
@ Winston Mills, the U.S.have not broken any Jamaican Laws and has only requested the extradition of an individual to face charges in the U.S. Courts. Furthermore the A.C.L.U. cannot stop any lawful action...they may petition the Court and present arguments...they are not a part of the Gov't..but a Civil Rights group. However the statements by Mr. Adams...coming from one who has been in the Security Forces, is more than alarming. To set a scenario where one man can basically shutdown a Nation, is saying a lot about our present situation....the Police are apparently only there to provide security for politicians and the Citizens have to fend for themselves. We dont need any foreigners to enforce the rule of Law...we only need those who we have elected to stop hindering the Police or step aside so they can do their job.
Jay Brown
5/15/2010
Time to end the state of TG.
TG - Game over !!!
5/15/2010
Time to end the state of TG.
TG - Game over !!!
george watson
5/15/2010
This increase of murders, civil unrest and disobedience is no doubt the criminals flexing their muscles and showing us what would happen in Mr. Coke were extradited.
The United States would owe it to us, however, to supply us with help to protect us and quell the step-up of any such action.
But herein lies the rub. They would have to come here at the invitation of the government. Can anyone see this happening?
Can’t some strongman in the army help us out of this dilemma?
5/15/2010
This increase of murders, civil unrest and disobedience is no doubt the criminals flexing their muscles and showing us what would happen in Mr. Coke were extradited.
The United States would owe it to us, however, to supply us with help to protect us and quell the step-up of any such action.
But herein lies the rub. They would have to come here at the invitation of the government. Can anyone see this happening?
Can’t some strongman in the army help us out of this dilemma?
Dorlan H. Francis
5/15/2010
I think Renato has assess the situation correctly. Why should we unleashed this mayhem on our country so that a man who is alleged to have supplied narcotics to American citizens may be extradited to the US. Americans citizens are allowed the recreational use of drugs. They can snort with open abandon in clubs, at open air concerts they can light up their splif and blow smoke in the face of law enforcement. But the people who supply these users are criminal. This is double standard NONSENSE and our country should not have to endure SOCIAL UNREST for that sake. America had better be mindful that they not lose the goodwill of people who once admire them.
5/15/2010
I think Renato has assess the situation correctly. Why should we unleashed this mayhem on our country so that a man who is alleged to have supplied narcotics to American citizens may be extradited to the US. Americans citizens are allowed the recreational use of drugs. They can snort with open abandon in clubs, at open air concerts they can light up their splif and blow smoke in the face of law enforcement. But the people who supply these users are criminal. This is double standard NONSENSE and our country should not have to endure SOCIAL UNREST for that sake. America had better be mindful that they not lose the goodwill of people who once admire them.
winston mills
5/15/2010
What would happen if Jamaica enter Florida and capture the DJ who is being held on drug charges so that he could be tried by a jury of his peers. I am strongly against crime and political corruption but I'll be damned if I support the giving up of my country of birth sovereign right to a foreign government even if that government is the USA.
If this was an American citizen, the ACLU would never allow him to be extradited to Jamaica for trial. The treaty between Jamaica and the USA is a case of the powerful (USA) trampling on the rights of weak (JA). Based on the USA Constitution the State of New York or California does not have more power than that of the State of Delaware or Rhode Island.
5/15/2010
What would happen if Jamaica enter Florida and capture the DJ who is being held on drug charges so that he could be tried by a jury of his peers. I am strongly against crime and political corruption but I'll be damned if I support the giving up of my country of birth sovereign right to a foreign government even if that government is the USA.
If this was an American citizen, the ACLU would never allow him to be extradited to Jamaica for trial. The treaty between Jamaica and the USA is a case of the powerful (USA) trampling on the rights of weak (JA). Based on the USA Constitution the State of New York or California does not have more power than that of the State of Delaware or Rhode Island.
Elroy Jackson
5/15/2010
From this extradition came up, I have been saying to people I discuss the issue with a long time with the exact same thing the article is saying along with "IF" he does not go I am sure the USA will take a different look at Ja and certain policies will be created against Ja.
On the other hand if he does go there will be MAYHEM as the article said.
I also hold the view that the USA will get the main person in question whether by will or by force. If they could go in to BIG MIGHTY IRAQ for Mr Sadam H. who is likkle JA to say otherwise that they not gonna give up this person.
It is just a matter of TIME and time is ticking by the seconds...
If no extradition takes place, the cover up of a "DEATH" is gonna be used as an excuse.
U all watch and C.
5/15/2010
From this extradition came up, I have been saying to people I discuss the issue with a long time with the exact same thing the article is saying along with "IF" he does not go I am sure the USA will take a different look at Ja and certain policies will be created against Ja.
On the other hand if he does go there will be MAYHEM as the article said.
I also hold the view that the USA will get the main person in question whether by will or by force. If they could go in to BIG MIGHTY IRAQ for Mr Sadam H. who is likkle JA to say otherwise that they not gonna give up this person.
It is just a matter of TIME and time is ticking by the seconds...
If no extradition takes place, the cover up of a "DEATH" is gonna be used as an excuse.
U all watch and C.
Cathian Dennis
5/15/2010
we really are not praying for the U.S marine to come to Jamaica but if you are seeing hundreds of innocent people dying and other gun men who really could not care less about Duddus using the opportunity to rob, rape and kill then we would need all the help to keep the Jamaican citizens safe.
5/15/2010
we really are not praying for the U.S marine to come to Jamaica but if you are seeing hundreds of innocent people dying and other gun men who really could not care less about Duddus using the opportunity to rob, rape and kill then we would need all the help to keep the Jamaican citizens safe.
shaun bailey
5/15/2010
the americans can get the job done wiyhout much problem.
5/15/2010
the americans can get the job done wiyhout much problem.
Robert Thompson
5/15/2010
Well Mr. Adams did warn us that Jamaica would pay dearly when he was interviewed TV. I guess there is some sense in what he is saying,as he witnessed TG's firepower first hand.
5/15/2010
Well Mr. Adams did warn us that Jamaica would pay dearly when he was interviewed TV. I guess there is some sense in what he is saying,as he witnessed TG's firepower first hand.
Jaye Stone
5/15/2010
But wouldn't the need for all this extra security for private and commercial interests mean extra business, even if temporary, for the many security companies in Jamaica, SSP Adams?
How will their companies fare anyway, if crime is contained?
5/15/2010
But wouldn't the need for all this extra security for private and commercial interests mean extra business, even if temporary, for the many security companies in Jamaica, SSP Adams?
How will their companies fare anyway, if crime is contained?
God Bless
5/15/2010
Renato went to TG to look for guns and a war zone broke out all that was realised was massive death toll of women old people and children. Therefore he knows what will happen the PM and well thinking Jamaica knows what will happen. A lot people depend on down town being peacful to make a living so if the PM was trying to lobby the US to leave this man for the sake of the many livlihood and lives that will be affected then I can see the method to the madness. The PM is not stupid and he like Renato sees the destruction that will come to poor Jamaicans even the police see it and they would rather leave it alone until a full proof plan is in place. With all this attention this man power has grown significantly in the underworld and they are willing to unite across party lines to destabilise this country. The commissioner needs to assure the people of this country that he will be ready for a Dudus aftermath. This is bigger than calling for Bruce's resignation look at the big picture
5/15/2010
Renato went to TG to look for guns and a war zone broke out all that was realised was massive death toll of women old people and children. Therefore he knows what will happen the PM and well thinking Jamaica knows what will happen. A lot people depend on down town being peacful to make a living so if the PM was trying to lobby the US to leave this man for the sake of the many livlihood and lives that will be affected then I can see the method to the madness. The PM is not stupid and he like Renato sees the destruction that will come to poor Jamaicans even the police see it and they would rather leave it alone until a full proof plan is in place. With all this attention this man power has grown significantly in the underworld and they are willing to unite across party lines to destabilise this country. The commissioner needs to assure the people of this country that he will be ready for a Dudus aftermath. This is bigger than calling for Bruce's resignation look at the big picture
God Bless
5/15/2010
If Renato is right, then what the PM was averting by lobbying is not for Dudus but for the many lives that will lost if this man is removed. This reminds of the removal of Sadam as bad and wicked as he was the amount of lives lost and destruction of that country if the people knew they would die and their country destroyed I believe they would have left Sadam in power. The question now is can Jamaica pay the price to remove this man? Are we ready for the aftermath of Dudus removal? I had a business on March Pen rd. and when they killed Bulbie the murder rate when up because they were in fighting for leadership in the clansman gang to this day. The police still cannot contain the murders. Lets be real Jamaica all the MPs of garrison constituents know that these men keep the people and the communities in order they have their own justice and military system. To remove these men by force is not the way but contructive social intervention to make these kinds of leadership redundant.
5/15/2010
If Renato is right, then what the PM was averting by lobbying is not for Dudus but for the many lives that will lost if this man is removed. This reminds of the removal of Sadam as bad and wicked as he was the amount of lives lost and destruction of that country if the people knew they would die and their country destroyed I believe they would have left Sadam in power. The question now is can Jamaica pay the price to remove this man? Are we ready for the aftermath of Dudus removal? I had a business on March Pen rd. and when they killed Bulbie the murder rate when up because they were in fighting for leadership in the clansman gang to this day. The police still cannot contain the murders. Lets be real Jamaica all the MPs of garrison constituents know that these men keep the people and the communities in order they have their own justice and military system. To remove these men by force is not the way but contructive social intervention to make these kinds of leadership redundant.
Marlene Palmer
5/15/2010
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