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News
Pilots want to start own airline if no deal on Air J
Tuesday, February 16, 2010
THE Jamaican Airline Pilots' Association (JALPA) said it will consider starting its own airline if it fails to acquire Air Jamaica.
But that option would not be exercised until all avenues have been exhausted to take over the national airline, which Government said it would be taking off its books by the end of March.
JALPA said the starting of a new airline could, however, be a lengthy process as it would have to satisfy all the criteria required by the Jamaica Civil Aviation Authority.
Establishing its own airline, added the pilots, could also be further grounded if the Trinidad and Tobago-owned Caribbean Airlines, now in negotiation to acquire Air Jamaica, receives national carrier status.
According to Captain John Eyre, manager of training and standards at Air Jamaica, granting Caribbean Airlines national carrier status would prohibit any Jamaican from owning and operating an airline which would compete on the routes Caribbean Airlines is proposing to operate.
Captain Eyre was speaking at a press conference yesterday at the Spanish Court Hotel in Kingston.
"...They are seeking exclusive national carrier status which is a no no... (under the open skies agreement) and so they would somehow have to negotiate that with the US," Eyre said.
Describing the proposed sale as one of the biggest mistakes ever made by the Jamaican Government, Eyre said Caribbean Airlines was seeking to operate in and out of Jamaica and not operate for Jamaica.
JALPA, he told journalists, was ready with a business plan which would, among other things, identify airlines in the United States with which to partner.
"By tomorrow when we go to talk with one of our major investors we will have a plan which will ensure a number of things, keeping in mind that we are talking about an investment of over US$60 million, and any investor who is investing that amount of money would want to ensure growth because that is where he generates his money," he said.
Captain Russell Capleton, immediate past president of JALPA and spokesman for the Air Jamaica Staff Acquisition Team, said the association has a number of investors who were ready to pump money into the airline.
He maintained that firm offers were made to the Government, through its equity partner, indicating that the necessary funding was available to operate the airline.
JALPA's business plan, he said, was not based on sentiments as its investors were interested in operating a viable operation.
Among the plans put forward by JALPA is for an Employee Share Ownership Programme (ESOP) and an Initial Public Offering to be put in place within a year or two of acquisition.
Captain Maria Ziadie-Haddad, secretary of JALPA, said the association had already received thousands of signed applications from employees who are willing to participate in the ESOP.
 
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Curtis Ward
2/17/2010
Many seem to have forgotten the days when tourism travel to Jamaica fell to desperately low levels - not just in the 70s but in the immediate post-9/11. Remember the precipitous drop in tourism. Remember the drastic changes in the other airlines' schedules. Remember how if it wasn't for the Love Bird the trick;e that there was would have stopped. Remember how the Jamaican hoteliers depended heavily on Air Jamaica to bring the tourists to Jamaica. Some may argue that there are several airlines now flying to Jamaica so AJ is dispensable. That is myopic - it is shortsighted. Those other airlines only follow the money and so will caribbean Airlines.
Air Jamaica is Jamaican tourism - it provides a service to all of Jamaica. Tourism revenue is AJ's revenue. Ask the tour operators. Remember how if it wasn't for the travels of Jamaicans in the Diaspora there would hardly have been any travellers to Jamaica.
With the demise of Air Jamaica we will have destroyed Brand Jamaica's most important brand. Think on it.
2/17/2010
Many seem to have forgotten the days when tourism travel to Jamaica fell to desperately low levels - not just in the 70s but in the immediate post-9/11. Remember the precipitous drop in tourism. Remember the drastic changes in the other airlines' schedules. Remember how if it wasn't for the Love Bird the trick;e that there was would have stopped. Remember how the Jamaican hoteliers depended heavily on Air Jamaica to bring the tourists to Jamaica. Some may argue that there are several airlines now flying to Jamaica so AJ is dispensable. That is myopic - it is shortsighted. Those other airlines only follow the money and so will caribbean Airlines.
Air Jamaica is Jamaican tourism - it provides a service to all of Jamaica. Tourism revenue is AJ's revenue. Ask the tour operators. Remember how if it wasn't for the travels of Jamaicans in the Diaspora there would hardly have been any travellers to Jamaica.
With the demise of Air Jamaica we will have destroyed Brand Jamaica's most important brand. Think on it.
2/17/2010
For those who believe that Air J is such a bad thing put yourselves in the position of the over 10 000 persons who will be out of a job, from the pilots to the small farmer who provides Versair with items. Also, those from the upcoming generation who would like to become pilots and fly for their national carrier. It's obvious there are no jobs out there so stop being so selfish and put yourselves in these persons position. Air Jamaica all the way big up the 100 percent security record thank God. Keep the faith all you believers. I Love My Air Jamaica. P.D
l j
2/16/2010
The ignorance displayed here by some of the people of Jamaica says a lot. You don't fly CAL, some of your fellow jamaicans you'll supposed love so much will lose their jobs. Where was the outrage when the Airline was almost sold to Spirit lot of people may consider the worst in the US. Another island, a fellow Caribbean brother is coming to help out with a better and bigger bid, but because of pride you'll acting so childish. You'll not flying CAL, but supporting those big US airlines makes you'll feel good?? wow. The Ignorance that some people display.
2/16/2010
The ignorance displayed here by some of the people of Jamaica says a lot. You don't fly CAL, some of your fellow jamaicans you'll supposed love so much will lose their jobs. Where was the outrage when the Airline was almost sold to Spirit lot of people may consider the worst in the US. Another island, a fellow Caribbean brother is coming to help out with a better and bigger bid, but because of pride you'll acting so childish. You'll not flying CAL, but supporting those big US airlines makes you'll feel good?? wow. The Ignorance that some people display.
Marlon J
2/16/2010
AIr J is no competitor to CA as they do not fly the same routes at all. As Keen Observer it is about it being sold to T&T.
agree though CA being National Carrier is nonsense as it is already National carrier for T&T.
JA Gov't should writein clause they keep certain volumes of lfights.
2/16/2010
AIr J is no competitor to CA as they do not fly the same routes at all. As Keen Observer it is about it being sold to T&T.
agree though CA being National Carrier is nonsense as it is already National carrier for T&T.
JA Gov't should writein clause they keep certain volumes of lfights.
P G
2/16/2010
There has been major talk of the takeover/acquisition of Air Jamaica and in recent months it seems the subject matter of our nation’s carrier has taken on a life of its own with tentacles outstretched in various (some admirable, some not) directions… but still , there is no main or better yet ‘unified vision’ when it comes to the GOJ and its people.
Gentlemen, Nation Carrier Status belongs to ‘A NATIONAL CARRIER’ - with that said how could it possibly be conceived (or ill conceived for that matter) that the airline of T&T could preposterously be seen or named the national carrier of Jamaica – if not in deed, the thought of that is contemptible if even in the printed word alone!
I read and re-read today’s article as well as the ensuing comments thereafter. In quoting Capt. Eyre who said that the “…Caribbean Airlines was seeking to operate in and out of Jamaica and not operate FOR Jamaica” I am compelled to state that the general public and the GOJ should wake up and heed those words! He understands it, the employees of AJM acknowledge it, the Jamaican population is aware of it, I personally see it, and even CAL definitely knows it – so where and how did the GOJ miss it? Like the ostrich with its head buried in the sand – turning your head(s) away from it will not make it any less obvious or any less dishonorable.
JALPA speaks of its ESOP plan, why is that not being considered? We are all Jamaicans and we all own a piece of that precious island – birthright, or claimed we will at all cost stand to defend it , uplift it and honor it – that is because we all have a ‘buy in’, a stake and an ownership of sorts. Ladies and gentlemen, it is the same concept that is being employed here by JALPA and Air Jamaica – ownership, (regardless of the amount) equates to a basic human need to defend, enhance, uplift and protect. I say Stop! Look! Listen to the pilots (and all crew members) of Air Jamaica, it takes great courage when faced with adversity and demise to stand as they have chosen to stand to defend, uplift and protect our beloved Air Jamaica. They have always been on the front lines and as such have been endowed with the indisputable ‘true picture’ of what it takes to be Air Jamaica.
On my last flight I had the immense pleasure to once again witness firsthand the style that is renowned world over as the ‘Air Jamaica spirit’. It is of no importance what port (foreign or domestic) you depart from, the Jamaican Spirit is well represented by all the employees (cockpit and cabin crews as well as ground staff) in the most admirable way. Every last AJM employee represents themselves as true ambassadors of the airline, the country and the people of Jamaica.
In my line of business, I teach, instruct, train and endeavor to empower people to be more than they believe that they can be. When it came to Interpersonal skills and customer service, the AJM employees proudly raise the bar for all others, thus elevating all Jamaicans to a higher status. For those first time visitors to our beautiful island, they represent a people and a nation, and do so honorable. The crew are the epitome of ‘service’, they exude an amazing attitude, and even more impressive, they are tirelessly consistent, never wavering in maintaining their decorum whilst offering a piece of Jamaica with their smile and award winning ‘customer service’ to those they encounter.
To the pilots of Air Jamaica I lift my proverbial hat. For all the years that I have flown the skies no other pilots exceed the pilots of Air Jamaica, they are (and have been) the true bearers of the flagship Air Jamaica. Where have you ever seen a pilot take the hand of an elderly lady and assist them whilst embarking or disembarking? Where have you ever seen a pilot take the time to personally bid a ‘Jamaican’ welcome or farewell to his/her passengers? I have seen this many times – but only on Air Jamaica.
So, I share the sentiments with Doc (Stephen Gunter) who states that it is with a heavy heart that he reads of the “Jamaican PM and Cabinet refusing to negotiate with the men and women who ARE Air Jamaica…”
To Richie L. who thinks that “… their (the pilots) move is very quixotic….” and then in the next line quite callously refer to them as jokers. Who is the joker here? Quixotic? Come on!!! Noble they are indeed, because whilst you have sat on a ‘written’ fence criticizing them, the men and women of Air Jamaica have taken a stance to save the national carrier that represents ‘YOU’ (if you are a Jamaican), me, and a nation that throughout our history have taken up many causes, faced any and every challenge with heart, pride and passion for a country and a people and now a national carrier that they truly believe in.
You speak of their “…demand to be paid like pilots in the major countries” – the last time I checked our little island of Jamaica sits proudly amongst the major players of the major countries, so yes they are (if not better than) like other pilots in the major countries. They have dedicated their careers to be known as the pilots with an impeccable safety record – the mighty Concord and the American Airlines of the major countries of which you speak can boast no such feat. On that note…. According to the Wall Street Journal Feb. 16, 2009 edition, research has shown that “The lowest top-scale captain’s salary was $123,480 at JetBlue Airways, and the highest among passenger airlines was again at Southwest: $181,270 a year. … other airlines offering higher pay right now: UPS and FedEx. Their captains max out at a minimum of more than $200,000 a year. At Delta, American, United and Continental, the top minimum for captains is between $156,000 and $167,000 per year” (http://blogs.wsj.com). Emirates, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, FedEx and UPS are among the best paid airlines (www.ppjn.com). Hence the reason for a vast number of AJM pilots having left Air Jamaica to pursue careers with other abovementioned airlines. So, may I caution that you present factual information rather than wantonly perpetrate a ‘lie’ on the compensation scale of the Jamaican pilots.
Let it be known that further research will educate you that a pilot’s salary varies widely depending on a number of factors, including the specific airline, type of aircraft flown, number of years with a company, and level of experience. Airline pilots are also paid more for international and nighttime flights (www.associatedcontent.com) – which is a large majority of the Air Jamaica routes. In addition, if you took the time to understand the job requirements, written, spoken and unspoken, you would be educated and/or reminded of the fact that being an airline pilot can also be extremely stressful. During flights, they must concentrate on myriad of items; they must always be alert to changes in conditions and to any problems that may randomly occur. They are often responsible for hundreds of lives besides their own, and they are always aware that flying contains an element of risk. During emergencies, they must react quickly, logically, and decisively. Pilots often work irregular hours, may be away from home a lot, and are subject to jet lag and other conditions associated with flying.
Airplanes (as we have seen) have been a favorite target for terrorist activity for a number of years because they provide easy access to large numbers of hostages and transportation anywhere in the world and that knowledge lives in the heart s and minds of every pilot. Even with the heightened safety measures enacted within recent times, flying an aircraft carries risks that are on the minds of our pilots on a daily basis. They must be constantly cognizant, vigilant and careful and quick to react if something goes wrong. Yes Sir, the same pilots that you unceremoniously refer to as ‘jokers’, board every flight feeling and knowing that they are responsible for YOUR safety, the safety of YOUR family and for the safety of all their passengers, many lives are in their hands and ‘we’ depend on them with our very lives. You would willingly give your life's savings to a doctor to save your life…. Well, with that said, I believe that they (the Air Jamaica pilots) are worth every penny that they make to ensure the safety of ‘my’ life – and yes (fortunate for you), yours too.
Respectfully,
P.G.
2/16/2010
There has been major talk of the takeover/acquisition of Air Jamaica and in recent months it seems the subject matter of our nation’s carrier has taken on a life of its own with tentacles outstretched in various (some admirable, some not) directions… but still , there is no main or better yet ‘unified vision’ when it comes to the GOJ and its people.
Gentlemen, Nation Carrier Status belongs to ‘A NATIONAL CARRIER’ - with that said how could it possibly be conceived (or ill conceived for that matter) that the airline of T&T could preposterously be seen or named the national carrier of Jamaica – if not in deed, the thought of that is contemptible if even in the printed word alone!
I read and re-read today’s article as well as the ensuing comments thereafter. In quoting Capt. Eyre who said that the “…Caribbean Airlines was seeking to operate in and out of Jamaica and not operate FOR Jamaica” I am compelled to state that the general public and the GOJ should wake up and heed those words! He understands it, the employees of AJM acknowledge it, the Jamaican population is aware of it, I personally see it, and even CAL definitely knows it – so where and how did the GOJ miss it? Like the ostrich with its head buried in the sand – turning your head(s) away from it will not make it any less obvious or any less dishonorable.
JALPA speaks of its ESOP plan, why is that not being considered? We are all Jamaicans and we all own a piece of that precious island – birthright, or claimed we will at all cost stand to defend it , uplift it and honor it – that is because we all have a ‘buy in’, a stake and an ownership of sorts. Ladies and gentlemen, it is the same concept that is being employed here by JALPA and Air Jamaica – ownership, (regardless of the amount) equates to a basic human need to defend, enhance, uplift and protect. I say Stop! Look! Listen to the pilots (and all crew members) of Air Jamaica, it takes great courage when faced with adversity and demise to stand as they have chosen to stand to defend, uplift and protect our beloved Air Jamaica. They have always been on the front lines and as such have been endowed with the indisputable ‘true picture’ of what it takes to be Air Jamaica.
On my last flight I had the immense pleasure to once again witness firsthand the style that is renowned world over as the ‘Air Jamaica spirit’. It is of no importance what port (foreign or domestic) you depart from, the Jamaican Spirit is well represented by all the employees (cockpit and cabin crews as well as ground staff) in the most admirable way. Every last AJM employee represents themselves as true ambassadors of the airline, the country and the people of Jamaica.
In my line of business, I teach, instruct, train and endeavor to empower people to be more than they believe that they can be. When it came to Interpersonal skills and customer service, the AJM employees proudly raise the bar for all others, thus elevating all Jamaicans to a higher status. For those first time visitors to our beautiful island, they represent a people and a nation, and do so honorable. The crew are the epitome of ‘service’, they exude an amazing attitude, and even more impressive, they are tirelessly consistent, never wavering in maintaining their decorum whilst offering a piece of Jamaica with their smile and award winning ‘customer service’ to those they encounter.
To the pilots of Air Jamaica I lift my proverbial hat. For all the years that I have flown the skies no other pilots exceed the pilots of Air Jamaica, they are (and have been) the true bearers of the flagship Air Jamaica. Where have you ever seen a pilot take the hand of an elderly lady and assist them whilst embarking or disembarking? Where have you ever seen a pilot take the time to personally bid a ‘Jamaican’ welcome or farewell to his/her passengers? I have seen this many times – but only on Air Jamaica.
So, I share the sentiments with Doc (Stephen Gunter) who states that it is with a heavy heart that he reads of the “Jamaican PM and Cabinet refusing to negotiate with the men and women who ARE Air Jamaica…”
To Richie L. who thinks that “… their (the pilots) move is very quixotic….” and then in the next line quite callously refer to them as jokers. Who is the joker here? Quixotic? Come on!!! Noble they are indeed, because whilst you have sat on a ‘written’ fence criticizing them, the men and women of Air Jamaica have taken a stance to save the national carrier that represents ‘YOU’ (if you are a Jamaican), me, and a nation that throughout our history have taken up many causes, faced any and every challenge with heart, pride and passion for a country and a people and now a national carrier that they truly believe in.
You speak of their “…demand to be paid like pilots in the major countries” – the last time I checked our little island of Jamaica sits proudly amongst the major players of the major countries, so yes they are (if not better than) like other pilots in the major countries. They have dedicated their careers to be known as the pilots with an impeccable safety record – the mighty Concord and the American Airlines of the major countries of which you speak can boast no such feat. On that note…. According to the Wall Street Journal Feb. 16, 2009 edition, research has shown that “The lowest top-scale captain’s salary was $123,480 at JetBlue Airways, and the highest among passenger airlines was again at Southwest: $181,270 a year. … other airlines offering higher pay right now: UPS and FedEx. Their captains max out at a minimum of more than $200,000 a year. At Delta, American, United and Continental, the top minimum for captains is between $156,000 and $167,000 per year” (http://blogs.wsj.com). Emirates, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, FedEx and UPS are among the best paid airlines (www.ppjn.com). Hence the reason for a vast number of AJM pilots having left Air Jamaica to pursue careers with other abovementioned airlines. So, may I caution that you present factual information rather than wantonly perpetrate a ‘lie’ on the compensation scale of the Jamaican pilots.
Let it be known that further research will educate you that a pilot’s salary varies widely depending on a number of factors, including the specific airline, type of aircraft flown, number of years with a company, and level of experience. Airline pilots are also paid more for international and nighttime flights (www.associatedcontent.com) – which is a large majority of the Air Jamaica routes. In addition, if you took the time to understand the job requirements, written, spoken and unspoken, you would be educated and/or reminded of the fact that being an airline pilot can also be extremely stressful. During flights, they must concentrate on myriad of items; they must always be alert to changes in conditions and to any problems that may randomly occur. They are often responsible for hundreds of lives besides their own, and they are always aware that flying contains an element of risk. During emergencies, they must react quickly, logically, and decisively. Pilots often work irregular hours, may be away from home a lot, and are subject to jet lag and other conditions associated with flying.
Airplanes (as we have seen) have been a favorite target for terrorist activity for a number of years because they provide easy access to large numbers of hostages and transportation anywhere in the world and that knowledge lives in the heart s and minds of every pilot. Even with the heightened safety measures enacted within recent times, flying an aircraft carries risks that are on the minds of our pilots on a daily basis. They must be constantly cognizant, vigilant and careful and quick to react if something goes wrong. Yes Sir, the same pilots that you unceremoniously refer to as ‘jokers’, board every flight feeling and knowing that they are responsible for YOUR safety, the safety of YOUR family and for the safety of all their passengers, many lives are in their hands and ‘we’ depend on them with our very lives. You would willingly give your life's savings to a doctor to save your life…. Well, with that said, I believe that they (the Air Jamaica pilots) are worth every penny that they make to ensure the safety of ‘my’ life – and yes (fortunate for you), yours too.
Respectfully,
P.G.
ward wainwright
2/16/2010
My say : I think we do have a problem with reguards to the overall operational policies of the airline which has lead us into this situation, however i dont think the goj is going about the solution the right way .
we live in a democratic nation and have entitlement as people of a nation. The decision to sell our national carrier should not be one that is made by the sitting goj but by the poeple who elected the goj and as such a referrendum shuold have been dont and the overall public opinion be taken on board when decieding the faith of the national carrier,
It should also be noted that election are won and loss over maters like this and if u ask me (and am not speakin for jamaica at large just a few of us ) the sittin goj is on borrowed time if they sell us out like this .
cut back on staff if u have to but selling out should have not been an option. However if we cant get out of the deal thus far then, it should be stipulated in the aggreement that CA dose not control all of the company but a %.
and provisions should be made to allow our brothers and sisters of the nation who are interested to have a productive and proactive say in how the company is being run.
It pains my heart when i sit bac and listen to what is happening there has to be some kind of injunctions that can be file to stop these acts of dectator ship on our people.
And to my brothers and sisters who aggree with what the Goj s doing shame on you but your entiltled to your own opinion. We have a duty to our children to try to preserv our way of life.
2/16/2010
My say : I think we do have a problem with reguards to the overall operational policies of the airline which has lead us into this situation, however i dont think the goj is going about the solution the right way .
we live in a democratic nation and have entitlement as people of a nation. The decision to sell our national carrier should not be one that is made by the sitting goj but by the poeple who elected the goj and as such a referrendum shuold have been dont and the overall public opinion be taken on board when decieding the faith of the national carrier,
It should also be noted that election are won and loss over maters like this and if u ask me (and am not speakin for jamaica at large just a few of us ) the sittin goj is on borrowed time if they sell us out like this .
cut back on staff if u have to but selling out should have not been an option. However if we cant get out of the deal thus far then, it should be stipulated in the aggreement that CA dose not control all of the company but a %.
and provisions should be made to allow our brothers and sisters of the nation who are interested to have a productive and proactive say in how the company is being run.
It pains my heart when i sit bac and listen to what is happening there has to be some kind of injunctions that can be file to stop these acts of dectator ship on our people.
And to my brothers and sisters who aggree with what the Goj s doing shame on you but your entiltled to your own opinion. We have a duty to our children to try to preserv our way of life.
Bryan Marron
2/16/2010
This issue seems to be an emotive one. I am a Jamaican who has lived and worked in Jamaica all my life. I have also had the good fortune for flying on AJ many times. The questions I have are how many of those who are vowing not to fly CA now fly on AJ? How many of them live in Jamaica? How many of them understand the fact that over the last 10 years the loss of could have paid for free education and health care for all Jamaicans. Emotions aside the Government needs to get rid of AJ. Seocndly if the pilots do buy AJ and run into trouble, what then? Will they and those arguing that they should get it expect help from the government? That I believe is the main concern for the govenment. Will those lobbying for the pilot then put their money where their mouth is or will they simply go to the next best thing?
2/16/2010
This issue seems to be an emotive one. I am a Jamaican who has lived and worked in Jamaica all my life. I have also had the good fortune for flying on AJ many times. The questions I have are how many of those who are vowing not to fly CA now fly on AJ? How many of them live in Jamaica? How many of them understand the fact that over the last 10 years the loss of could have paid for free education and health care for all Jamaicans. Emotions aside the Government needs to get rid of AJ. Seocndly if the pilots do buy AJ and run into trouble, what then? Will they and those arguing that they should get it expect help from the government? That I believe is the main concern for the govenment. Will those lobbying for the pilot then put their money where their mouth is or will they simply go to the next best thing?
Dave Barry
2/16/2010
Let’s face it; the Pilots are only looking out for themselves. Now tell me, why does Air Jamaica need 100 Pilots to fly 8 planes? Up to last year, I think AJ had over 200 Pilots. I would like to see how that staffing ratio equates to actual flying hours with some many Pilots and so few planes/routes. No wonder the Airline was being run at a deficit for all these years. These Pilots know that they will never again fly for another airline again...too much pilots and too few profitable airlines to absorb them. Good luck finding another job!!!
2/16/2010
Let’s face it; the Pilots are only looking out for themselves. Now tell me, why does Air Jamaica need 100 Pilots to fly 8 planes? Up to last year, I think AJ had over 200 Pilots. I would like to see how that staffing ratio equates to actual flying hours with some many Pilots and so few planes/routes. No wonder the Airline was being run at a deficit for all these years. These Pilots know that they will never again fly for another airline again...too much pilots and too few profitable airlines to absorb them. Good luck finding another job!!!
Simone Rattigan
2/16/2010
Keen observer, you do have a point as it relates to the late proposal of the JALPA. However, I guess our Jamaican citizens have expressed a sigh of relief for this 'better late than never' move by the Association.
I would like to think that it's more than just an acclaimed 'rivalry' between jamaican and T&T nationals.Regardless of the buyer, the nature of the agreement begs a lot of questions. I wouldnt be surprised if we continue to sell out what's left of our 'assets'. What do we really have for ourselves? really?
Kudos to JALPA for having the interest of Jamaican citizens at heart. The claim that this is based solely on emotions is the lowest that anyone can stoop. If there is a will there's a way. Some people are quite comfortable with the fact that the powers that be have not tackled key issues in mitigating against some of our key problems. Issues are constantly condoned with no proper perspective...just an easy way out.
Why dont we just sell the Jamaican people and call it a day...that's obviously the road our government is headed! cause at this rate we'll have nothing!
2/16/2010
Keen observer, you do have a point as it relates to the late proposal of the JALPA. However, I guess our Jamaican citizens have expressed a sigh of relief for this 'better late than never' move by the Association.
I would like to think that it's more than just an acclaimed 'rivalry' between jamaican and T&T nationals.Regardless of the buyer, the nature of the agreement begs a lot of questions. I wouldnt be surprised if we continue to sell out what's left of our 'assets'. What do we really have for ourselves? really?
Kudos to JALPA for having the interest of Jamaican citizens at heart. The claim that this is based solely on emotions is the lowest that anyone can stoop. If there is a will there's a way. Some people are quite comfortable with the fact that the powers that be have not tackled key issues in mitigating against some of our key problems. Issues are constantly condoned with no proper perspective...just an easy way out.
Why dont we just sell the Jamaican people and call it a day...that's obviously the road our government is headed! cause at this rate we'll have nothing!
bayreuth lewis
2/16/2010
Let us be frank here this is not a Trini vs Jamaica Issue, but rather an economic decision. Air Jamaica has debt of $1 billion US dollar. We only owned two planes the other 7 are leased. So in fact we have no assest to cover our liabilties except the few routes, a few real estate and the good will of the company.CAL is not taking on the debt and I dont blame them either. Air J has been indebted from the start and this last minute plan fron the AJPA to me is just hogwash.We are a small and highly indebted country and thus cannot afford a national carrier. AIr Japan went bankrupt a few weeks back and Air India is only fying on nationalistic merit. The leagacy carrier business in the industry is littered with bankrupt airlines, Jamaica no different. Trinidad has oil and gas if they want to use their heritage fund or Petroleum fund to prop up Air J then more power to them.
2/16/2010
Let us be frank here this is not a Trini vs Jamaica Issue, but rather an economic decision. Air Jamaica has debt of $1 billion US dollar. We only owned two planes the other 7 are leased. So in fact we have no assest to cover our liabilties except the few routes, a few real estate and the good will of the company.CAL is not taking on the debt and I dont blame them either. Air J has been indebted from the start and this last minute plan fron the AJPA to me is just hogwash.We are a small and highly indebted country and thus cannot afford a national carrier. AIr Japan went bankrupt a few weeks back and Air India is only fying on nationalistic merit. The leagacy carrier business in the industry is littered with bankrupt airlines, Jamaica no different. Trinidad has oil and gas if they want to use their heritage fund or Petroleum fund to prop up Air J then more power to them.
Novlette Beckford
2/16/2010
I don't see any benefit that Jamaica/Jamaicans will derive from CA buying air jamaica aparting from the government getting money to payoff its debts for the airline. What is CA plan after the purchase both short term and long term? The government needs to let us known. My guess is for CA to remove the strong competitor and nothing to do with caribbean integration. Caribbean integration is a fantasy we will never be another EU. The "Lovebird" is a part of our national heritage and should remain so. After the purchase would CA be willing to offer to the Jamaican citizens shares in CA? This should be a condition of sale.
2/16/2010
I don't see any benefit that Jamaica/Jamaicans will derive from CA buying air jamaica aparting from the government getting money to payoff its debts for the airline. What is CA plan after the purchase both short term and long term? The government needs to let us known. My guess is for CA to remove the strong competitor and nothing to do with caribbean integration. Caribbean integration is a fantasy we will never be another EU. The "Lovebird" is a part of our national heritage and should remain so. After the purchase would CA be willing to offer to the Jamaican citizens shares in CA? This should be a condition of sale.
Keen Observer
2/16/2010
I am bemused whenever I see the rivalry between Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica raise its head in situations that make it look ugly.
Where were all these Jamaican patriots when the Jamaican government was struggling to find a buyer, ANY BUYER, to be even remotely interested in the heavily indebted Air Jamaica?
Where were these groups now offering to collect however much annually from expats to fund keeping the airline alive? Where were all these patriotic nationals vowing not to fly on any non-Jamaican Air Jamaica? Where was JALPA then?
Not a voice was raised, not a finger lifted, not an alternative suggestion put forth. That was until Caribbean Airlines was the dotish company willing to step up and put forth a plan that ultimately will serve the region best when it comes to airlines, and that is a single regional carrier.
This sudden groundswell is not about the sale of Air Jamaica. This outpouring of nationalism is about the sale of Air Jamaica to TRINIDAD and TOBAGO!!!
When will the APEBT be officially launched? (Any Place Else But Trinidad).
Don't worry, there is a APEBJ on the other side.
2/16/2010
I am bemused whenever I see the rivalry between Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica raise its head in situations that make it look ugly.
Where were all these Jamaican patriots when the Jamaican government was struggling to find a buyer, ANY BUYER, to be even remotely interested in the heavily indebted Air Jamaica?
Where were these groups now offering to collect however much annually from expats to fund keeping the airline alive? Where were all these patriotic nationals vowing not to fly on any non-Jamaican Air Jamaica? Where was JALPA then?
Not a voice was raised, not a finger lifted, not an alternative suggestion put forth. That was until Caribbean Airlines was the dotish company willing to step up and put forth a plan that ultimately will serve the region best when it comes to airlines, and that is a single regional carrier.
This sudden groundswell is not about the sale of Air Jamaica. This outpouring of nationalism is about the sale of Air Jamaica to TRINIDAD and TOBAGO!!!
When will the APEBT be officially launched? (Any Place Else But Trinidad).
Don't worry, there is a APEBJ on the other side.
2/16/2010
Could you guys stop being so small minded and realize that we didn't have to buy your "lovebird". Novlette u are being so silly ... the JALPA are running on emotions which will get u and themselves no where. This deal is strictly business and to continue Caribbean integration so we could become another USA/ EU which would increase our competitiveness throughout the world. If Jamaicans so decide that they refuse to fly with CA the end result would be that CA will decrease flights from Jamaica and that more of Jamaican money would leave the region and benefit those on the outside ... I think some people need to stop their small mindedness and think before they talk and act
Novlette Beckford
2/16/2010
JALPA I applaud your efforts also and I know a lot of Jamaicans both in Jamaica and abroad will support you. What the government is doing is unpatriotic, the sale of the national airline should be offered first to the citizens of Jamaica. You have some of the best pilots and I hope you will be able to save the airline, if not I would definitely support your new company.
2/16/2010
JALPA I applaud your efforts also and I know a lot of Jamaicans both in Jamaica and abroad will support you. What the government is doing is unpatriotic, the sale of the national airline should be offered first to the citizens of Jamaica. You have some of the best pilots and I hope you will be able to save the airline, if not I would definitely support your new company.
Michelle Gill
2/16/2010
JALPA I applaud your efforts. I know things will work out for the best and when you do start your airline be assured that you will have a lot of Jamaicans backing you all.
2/16/2010
JALPA I applaud your efforts. I know things will work out for the best and when you do start your airline be assured that you will have a lot of Jamaicans backing you all.
David Williams
2/16/2010
I wont be flying on Caribbean Airlines. I would rather give my money to Spirit Airlines.
2/16/2010
I wont be flying on Caribbean Airlines. I would rather give my money to Spirit Airlines.
Stephen Gunter
2/16/2010
It was with great disbelief that I heard the news report of the demand by Caribbean Airlines for National Airline status being a condition of their "purchase". That the Government would consider such a notion only serves to heighten my sense of disappointment in the Golding administration.
Caribbean Airlines will not make a dollar from my pocket; I will purposely fly other carriers rather than a Trinidad based "national airline" of Jamaica.
2/16/2010
It was with great disbelief that I heard the news report of the demand by Caribbean Airlines for National Airline status being a condition of their "purchase". That the Government would consider such a notion only serves to heighten my sense of disappointment in the Golding administration.
Caribbean Airlines will not make a dollar from my pocket; I will purposely fly other carriers rather than a Trinidad based "national airline" of Jamaica.
Doc Hoff
2/16/2010
It is with heavy heart and sadness that I find myself reading about the Jamaican PM and Cabinet refusing to negotiate with the men and women who ARE Air Jamaica, but rather just willing to sell out Jamaica's flagship carrier (and the Jamaican people) to relieve their "government books" of this fine carrier, and all of those who have worked so hard to provide the ultimate flying experience to those of us who return year in and year out, to the land of "wood, water, and sun." As a frequent flyer on AJM since 1987 (more then 200 trips since Gilbert), returning home multiple times per year to visit my friends in St.Ann and St.Mary, I am at a loss to comprehend. Many here in the USA ask me why I am so upset about this pending transition, as I am not a Jamaican National. Simply put, the reasons are many. Let's start with the incredible diligence and dedication I receive on each and every flight out of Philadelphia to Mobay (PHL to MBJ) by the cockpit crew and cabin crew. How about their impeccable safety record, and "on time" schedule history? How about all of the wonderful people who work in all of the various departments for AJM both at PHL and in MBJ, who have dedicated their lives to provide me with the "LoveBird" service that only a Jamaican can provide? As a Doc and private pilot, I understand aviation's requirements better then most. Having met with and talked to/with many AJM pilots and cabin crew members, some of whom I consider as "friends", I feel like WE are getting the "royal political shaft." Having been present visiting friends in Mango Valley, St Mary, during your last PM election cycle, the loss of Portia Simpson to Bruce Golding, listening to the campaign rhetoric, I sensed it would be business as usual with the politicians taking care of themselves, with no real POSITIVE change for the common folk. This confirms my gut feelings of that time. Now as I prepare to return to Mammee Bay to visit my friends and "adopted family" in 6 weeks for my Easter bun and cheese, I am wondering what I will experience with my already paid for AJM business class ticket? Can any other entity/owner bring me the experience that I have enjoyed since 1987? I doubt it! There are at least 3 other airlines that fly out of PHL regularly to Mobay. I have never considered any of them...ever! I have grown to "love my friends" at AJM for the care they give me on each and every trip. No frequent flyer could ask for more. Now it is with "heavy heart and great sadness" that I may experience the loss of these VERY fine men and women in all departments on my upcoming Easter trip. With that said, I must now close. But you are in my mind and in my heart every day...that however is of little comfort to those who may be redundant in this pending transition. With respect and love..I remain...Doc
2/16/2010
It is with heavy heart and sadness that I find myself reading about the Jamaican PM and Cabinet refusing to negotiate with the men and women who ARE Air Jamaica, but rather just willing to sell out Jamaica's flagship carrier (and the Jamaican people) to relieve their "government books" of this fine carrier, and all of those who have worked so hard to provide the ultimate flying experience to those of us who return year in and year out, to the land of "wood, water, and sun." As a frequent flyer on AJM since 1987 (more then 200 trips since Gilbert), returning home multiple times per year to visit my friends in St.Ann and St.Mary, I am at a loss to comprehend. Many here in the USA ask me why I am so upset about this pending transition, as I am not a Jamaican National. Simply put, the reasons are many. Let's start with the incredible diligence and dedication I receive on each and every flight out of Philadelphia to Mobay (PHL to MBJ) by the cockpit crew and cabin crew. How about their impeccable safety record, and "on time" schedule history? How about all of the wonderful people who work in all of the various departments for AJM both at PHL and in MBJ, who have dedicated their lives to provide me with the "LoveBird" service that only a Jamaican can provide? As a Doc and private pilot, I understand aviation's requirements better then most. Having met with and talked to/with many AJM pilots and cabin crew members, some of whom I consider as "friends", I feel like WE are getting the "royal political shaft." Having been present visiting friends in Mango Valley, St Mary, during your last PM election cycle, the loss of Portia Simpson to Bruce Golding, listening to the campaign rhetoric, I sensed it would be business as usual with the politicians taking care of themselves, with no real POSITIVE change for the common folk. This confirms my gut feelings of that time. Now as I prepare to return to Mammee Bay to visit my friends and "adopted family" in 6 weeks for my Easter bun and cheese, I am wondering what I will experience with my already paid for AJM business class ticket? Can any other entity/owner bring me the experience that I have enjoyed since 1987? I doubt it! There are at least 3 other airlines that fly out of PHL regularly to Mobay. I have never considered any of them...ever! I have grown to "love my friends" at AJM for the care they give me on each and every trip. No frequent flyer could ask for more. Now it is with "heavy heart and great sadness" that I may experience the loss of these VERY fine men and women in all departments on my upcoming Easter trip. With that said, I must now close. But you are in my mind and in my heart every day...that however is of little comfort to those who may be redundant in this pending transition. With respect and love..I remain...Doc
Richie L
2/16/2010
I agree that making CAL the national carrier of Jamaica is unwise. CAL is not taking over Air Jamaica. It is just being asked to come in and take over some routes. They are not taking on the debt so why does the GOJ need to make them the national carrier? This is a business opportunity for CAL, this isn't a bailout and the GOJ should negotiate better. As a matter of fact, they shouldn't even have gone out of their way to invite CAL to Jamaica. If CAL wants the market, let them come in. Look Air Tran just started service, because they see a business potential.
As far as the AJ pilots are concerned, I think their move is very quixotic but I doubt it will work. I strongly suspect that these jokers don't know how to run an airline. They are part of the problem at AJ, with their demand to be paid like pilots in the major countries. Look around Jamaica, workers in most industries get substantially less than their counterpart in other countries. But no, not these prima donna pilots; they didn't want that.
For years, I have been calling for lower costs all across the board because high cost was killing AJ. AJ needed fewer workers and it never moved to make a reduction.
Planes needed to be used more. In recent years when I fly into Jamaica, landing first in Moday then Kingston, I would see several Air Jamaica planes sitting around. Does this make sense? This is telling me one of two things: either they have too many planes or too few routes.
Air Jamaica never moved to develop markets. As soon as it gets tough, they pull out. For example, they decide to fly into Phoenix (why a hot weather place I don't know), then pull out shortly after. Are you going to tell me they never did market research before entering the market? And if they did and the research showed good prospects, why didn't they fight more to gain a foothold there?
2/16/2010
I agree that making CAL the national carrier of Jamaica is unwise. CAL is not taking over Air Jamaica. It is just being asked to come in and take over some routes. They are not taking on the debt so why does the GOJ need to make them the national carrier? This is a business opportunity for CAL, this isn't a bailout and the GOJ should negotiate better. As a matter of fact, they shouldn't even have gone out of their way to invite CAL to Jamaica. If CAL wants the market, let them come in. Look Air Tran just started service, because they see a business potential.
As far as the AJ pilots are concerned, I think their move is very quixotic but I doubt it will work. I strongly suspect that these jokers don't know how to run an airline. They are part of the problem at AJ, with their demand to be paid like pilots in the major countries. Look around Jamaica, workers in most industries get substantially less than their counterpart in other countries. But no, not these prima donna pilots; they didn't want that.
For years, I have been calling for lower costs all across the board because high cost was killing AJ. AJ needed fewer workers and it never moved to make a reduction.
Planes needed to be used more. In recent years when I fly into Jamaica, landing first in Moday then Kingston, I would see several Air Jamaica planes sitting around. Does this make sense? This is telling me one of two things: either they have too many planes or too few routes.
Air Jamaica never moved to develop markets. As soon as it gets tough, they pull out. For example, they decide to fly into Phoenix (why a hot weather place I don't know), then pull out shortly after. Are you going to tell me they never did market research before entering the market? And if they did and the research showed good prospects, why didn't they fight more to gain a foothold there?
jason m
2/16/2010
I will be the second. I will never, unless bound and gagged, fly Caribbean Airlines.
2/16/2010
I will be the second. I will never, unless bound and gagged, fly Caribbean Airlines.
carl williams
2/16/2010
i will be your first customer
2/16/2010
i will be your first customer
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